Ok, as of January we are moving from SF to Hawaii. We are a gay couple been together 20 years, and our 3 cats. We expect to make the jump first then have the cats shipped later. We are a High Tech couple, needing DSL in the apartment and a software/internet related job would be nice. As we are still in SF it would be nice to know of some online resources that might help us in all directions.
Thanx,
Tolver.
Thanx,
Tolver.
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Re: Making the Jump.
Thu, December 15, 2005 - 8:59 PMI'd like the same info. My husband, our baby and I are moving to Oahu in January. Luckily, we have found a house already....we found it on Craigslist.
Good luck finding work....I hear it can be tough finding hightech jobs....but I have no personal experience with that. =) -
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Thu, December 15, 2005 - 11:20 PMI'd like that info too, and I've been here a few months. I don't have to worry about the housing, but a lot of the random admin and office jobs that were easy enough to pick up in the bay area pay about half what they did there, and housing prices seem about the same. I've met a lot of folks who work a few different jobs, and craigslist honolulu certainly has nothing on craigslist in the bay.
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Fri, December 16, 2005 - 11:23 AMWe are calling in all our Karma Points for this move. Ten years in a place can build up alot of goodwill, and although our friends are sad to see us go they know that we need to get into a new environment if we are going to continue to grow together as a couple.
Housing is not a worry? GREAT! Now how can we make that apply to us? We are taking an extended 'Vacation' to Hawaii in January, and if we can secure a place to stay in that time we will just not return to San Francisco. (I am concerned that once I get there I will simply refuse to get back on the plane no matter what.) So...do you know of some reasonably priced housing, under $1000 per month, that allows cats? We run our own internet servers, so we will be ariving with some income allready from our hosting of websites on our home servers, but we obviously need high speed DSL in anyplace we wind up living in.
I know, I know, some stranger from the internet is asking you for help when nobody was willing to help you in your move to Hawaii. But look at it this way, a little bit of help now by asking your landlord about acepting new lease holders could pay off well in your gaining good friends when we arive in Hawaii and are able to make it with a little bit of help. Maybe your landlord would like their own website to help advertise their properties? Maybe you would like your own free website with your own www.(your name).com. I got mine allready, tolver.net/ . The point is, we have skills that we are willing to barter with, and we perfer to work with people rather than corporations. And was not the point of this tribe to help each other by volunteering information?
Sorry to prattle on there, my fingers like to dance on the keyboard some times, heh.
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Fri, December 16, 2005 - 1:55 PMI personally don't have to worry about housing because I have family here.
I think if you're looking for housing it makes a big difference where and how well you want to live. Single wall construction is really common here, and lots of places don't have A/C. The types of housing vary WIDELY and if you're looking for something like you probably have in the bay area, you'll be paying for it.
I don't know how much income you already have coming in, but it's possible to live simply here on not all that much. In my estimation it might be more lucrative to stick with the income you have already coming in, and not count on getting a great job here immediately unless you already have a good line on something. -
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Fri, December 16, 2005 - 2:19 PMThats great that you have family there. When we moved to SF we moved in with my brother for a week, so we had a spot to land while we secured housing. After we get settled we would'nt mind being a landing spot for any of our close friends or family that wanted to jump to Hawaii as well. I know what a difference it makes. This time it looks like we are on our own, and thats ok, as we are experienced adults of almost 40 years each, we can stand on our own feet anywhere.
We live rather modestly, I cook rather than dine out, we watch cable rather than go out to the movies, own no car. As for money, we seem to have what we need and need what we have. We would rather be happy than rich. We only work as much as we need to get by. We don't chase money. So our current apartment has no air conditioning, we figure that it will be more the same there than different for us. Our current rent just hit $1011.
We are not moving to Hawaii to live the rich life, we are moving to Hawaii to live a more peacfull life.
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Fri, December 16, 2005 - 2:28 PMIn my opinion, the more peaceful life is in abundance here. Finding a well-paying job is another matter entirely. If you can find a way to make mainland money while you're here (i.e. online) you're in great shape.
You can definitely find cheaper housing away from the more developed areas, but come check it out when you're here, because there can be some drawbacks. Unless you're way out in the cuts or in a condo or something, there's frequently a lack of aural privacy, which is something I hadn't ever considered before. With open-air construction, you can hear everything. I live in a nice, well spaced suburb, and right now one of my neighbors is on the phone, one two houses down has a cough, and someone else is watching TV. It's not terribly intrusive over the sound of waves and birds and geckos and wind in palm trees, but it's there nonetheless, and I need to be conscious of playing music or talking about private matters even if it seems like a reasonable level.
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Fri, December 16, 2005 - 5:50 PMWell my partner will remain online to keep the mainland money flowing, and I was more interested in some manual labor - gotta get back to that tan buff boy he met 20 years ago. So i'm sure that I can find something relativly easily. We figure that the first thing to do is snag a weekly tourist flop and then it's just Time Divided By Money. Find afordable housing within our means before our cash reserve runs out. Can it be that hard to find a job that will give me a tan and a ripped bod?
We are more concerned about transporting the 3 cats after we get housed. Poor cats, they are all declawed rescues from CraigsList, 2 brothers and a lady, hate to think about their trip here. They are all indoor-only cats. As long as there is a convient supply of groceries and high speed internet we can live anywhere. I guess my real preference is to live as far away from the city as praticle(sp?).
Well, fate happens to those who stay indoors and destiny happens to those who go outside, so i'm gonna help myself and find my own resources for moving to Hawaii, let you know what I find out.
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Fri, December 16, 2005 - 9:41 PMWell, that's helpful info though. There are LOTS of ways to make some cash if you're willing to do manual labor and live in the sticks (er... peaceful natural environments). If you have a little steady mainland income coming in, why not move to one of the neighbor islands? Lots of Californians prefer Maui to Oahu, it all depends on what you like.
This might be an interesting place to start:
honolulu.craigslist.org/trd/11...13.html
If you're open to whatever, craigslist will probably be helpful- it's just not a plethora of high paying and high skill and high-tech jobs like it is in the bay area. Once you land somewhere you can talk to different people and get a better idea of what's around. Lots of jobs and housing are by word of mouth, so it's easier once you start meeting people.
Generally, the farther out in the sticks or from touristy or super mainlandy (I made that word up but I think it applies) areas, the cheaper the rent. There are plenty of resort and tourist trade jobs around, you'll see some of them on craigslist.
It sounds like you guys are in good shape for the move though, if you have a little savings and a little income, you can take unusual opportunities (like maybe property managers?) that come with housing. The reason I suggest neighbor islands is that you'll be more likely to get cheaper housing in some areas, and less traffic. If you don't need a city income, that might work out well.
Tan, buff, and relaxed are definitely doable here. Efficient, timely, and logical less so. Best of luck to both of you. -
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Mon, December 19, 2005 - 9:53 AMYes we are definitly interested in getting AWAY from tall building and cars belching noxious fumes. Just because we understand and use high tech does NOT mean that we live a life dependent on every little jadget that comes out. I perfer a broom to a vacume, quieter and more satisfying to have done it myself. And our initial landing will be just remporary till we find out what island would be best for us. We figure that DEFINITE plans will just fall apart, so we plan on staying fluid and going with the 'flow' of the islands.
We have looked at a couple of live/work situations. One, that was supposed to get back to us a week ago just now sent us a email reply. So our plans are still VERY unstated. Actualy a friend of ours said 'You know ive allways wanted to go to Hawaii, lets go all 3 of us for a month and rent a house...', well that sounds great too. Go rent a house for a couple of months and then our friend can leave when he desires and we can use the remaining time in the house after he leaves to continue our search for perminate housing. From what i've seen it must not be too hard to rent a tourist house for a couple of months, But this way he has offerd to spend some of his tourist dollars to help our moving dollars go farther.
My impression is that the islands are not in sight of each other, no short swims between them, but there IS some sort of ferry or small plane service between them? Here in the Bay Area we have ferries across the bay, and a wonderfull tube system as well. People gotta move between the islands, right? But I guess its kinda hard to lay a tube under the ocean, wheras here its just a bay. So the spot we land in wont hinder our exploration of the islands in general?
Eep, another short novel, my fingers just get happy at the keyboard.
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Mon, December 19, 2005 - 10:34 AMCurrently the best way to get from island to island is by small plane, the ferries are sort of being planned, but that's a few years off. The flights are short but they're not particularly cheap, but you can find deals. Expect to pay around 100- 200 bucks per flight, (which is kind of hilarious because you can find off-season discounted fares from SF0 to HNL for around 200 bucks) but keep an eye out for early morning and off-season tickets from the airlines, sometimes they do random specials from say, honolulu to maui for 30 bucks if you take the first flight of the day.
It's definitely doable to rent a house or what have you for a month, keep your eyes peeled on craigslist and the like.
Also, in my experience, the delayed responses are the rule more than the exception, interactions that took less than a day (emails and phone calls from jobs, etc) in the bay area can take WEEKS here. There have been plenty of times that I'd just given up on getting a call back from a job or what have you, and then they got in touch with me a month later and told me to come in. This can be frustrating if you are accustomed to living on the mainland, but if you just get into the groove of everything moving *much* slower, it can be relaxing. It also means that you don't have to call everyone back within an hour (or even a week in lots of cases). With that in mind, and since you have an alloted amount of cash to work with, I'd lean towards getting a cheaper starter place for a longer time frame to get settled, just in case things take awhile.
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Re: Making the Jump.
Mon, December 19, 2005 - 11:07 AMLots od usefull information, your 2 cents of gold are worth more than other sets of 2 cents of copper that can be found. Well this is monday, and since I am still on the mainland I will act acordingly and get busy looking up my resources. Im gonna compile a list of usefull links for those interested in making the jump in their own time. Every weekend this month we have a social event to help run, and the bay area only has a 4 day work week, so like Hawaii, this month everything takes twice as long to get done here in the Bay Area, heh.
My guess on the expensive inter-island plane hops is that since the alternitive is to swim they figure that people are forced to pay their monopoly price. How about some logs tied together and a paddle? heh.
Tolver.
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